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Indian-Killer Andrew Jackson Deserves Top Spot on List of Worst U.S Presidents for Indian Country

Seeded on Mon Feb 20, 2012 9:44 PM EST
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The top choices for the ''Worst U.S. President for American Indians.''

Some that made the list are considered hero's and one the greatest President.

This article is not a political article, it only points out what laws or actions came to pass during their time in office.

Off topic, personal attacks or derailing will be deleted without warning.

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  • Public Discussion (68)
Kavika

The facts speak for themselves.

  • 6 votes
#1 - Mon Feb 20, 2012 9:45 PM EST
Pat from Montana

The facts speak for themselves.

indeed they do...

  • 4 votes
#1.1 - Mon Feb 20, 2012 9:49 PM EST
Kavika

Thanks for stopping by Pat...I think that Lincoln being on the list is a surprise to many people since he is considered the ''Great Emancipator'' and our greatest President. This article only covers some of the things that he did to NA's. There is a lot more, none of it good.

Waanakiwin niijii

  • 4 votes
#1.2 - Mon Feb 20, 2012 9:54 PM EST
LittleFawn

Una Sla`xt...I Hear that One. He did do alot more as you says " None Of It Good ".
So very " True ".

  • 3 votes
#1.3 - Mon Feb 20, 2012 11:12 PM EST
Kavika

Thanks for visiting Little Fawn...there is much that is not taught in history about Lincoln.

Waanakiwin niijii

  • 2 votes
#1.4 - Mon Feb 20, 2012 11:23 PM EST
LittleFawn

Oh ya...This I know. These " Su-a'poe's " only print want they want in " History Books " and Half if Not More is not the Truth. This is why I flunked history cause Lil Injun Girl called it like Sees' It. Su-a'poe's didn't like what I had to say. Peoples only Spoke the
Truth and Not Feed The Young with Lies the World would be a Better Place then it is Today.
Yet it's Like No One wants to Hear The Truth. I sorry I was getting Carried Away.

  • 4 votes
#1.5 - Tue Feb 21, 2012 12:03 AM EST
elpkidd

You know what they say, "The ones in power write the history books"

  • 2 votes
#1.6 - Tue Feb 21, 2012 12:39 PM EST
Pat from Montana

Relating to what LittleFawn said

Peoples only Spoke the Truth and Not Feed The Young with Lies the World would be a Better Place then it is Today.

Are there any books out there that are close to the truth regarding NA history? I sure would be interested in reading truth for a change.

  • 2 votes
#1.7 - Tue Feb 21, 2012 5:49 PM EST
elpkidd

I like "Indian Wars" written by Robert Utley and Wilcomb Washburn. It covers more than three hundred years of conflict between the Native Americans and he white settlers.

  • 1 vote
#1.8 - Tue Feb 21, 2012 6:06 PM EST
LittleFawn

I got My History Learning of " Our Peoples " from ' My Elders ' and " Elders from different Tribes " Growing Up. I didn't get get From A Book of Lies. I learned more from The Elders in My Tribe and Others Tribes.

  • 2 votes
#1.9 - Tue Feb 21, 2012 9:37 PM EST
Pat from Montana

No I knew what you meant LittleFawn, but it was that comment that had me ask for a more accurate version of your history. The way of your history can never be replaced or reproduced, it can only be passed down. I say that with most respect.

TY elpkidd I will look into it.

  • 1 vote
#1.10 - Tue Feb 21, 2012 9:47 PM EST
Kavika

Pat, here are a few more...We, The People by Serle Chapman..Of Earth and Elders, also by Chapman...Through Indian Eyes, a Readers Digest book...The Native Americans...Lame Deer, Seeker of Visions..John Fire Lame Deer....Black Elk Speaks....Bury My Heart at Wounded Knee, Dee Brown, this is a classic....A couple that are tribe specific. The Manitous, The Spiritual World of the Ojibwe, by Basil Johnston..Ojibwe, The People of Minnesota by Anton Treuer. The Assination of Hole-in-the-Day, by Anton Treuer

A great book of fiction is ''Creek Marys Blood'' by Dee Brown.

  • 3 votes
#1.11 - Tue Feb 21, 2012 10:10 PM EST
elpkidd

A historical novel I like is River Rising a Cherokee Odyssey by Frank Stewart. It traces one family from a few years before the removal to just after. A lot of good factual information in the book. I've read it about 5 times over the last eight years.

  • 2 votes
#1.12 - Tue Feb 21, 2012 10:14 PM EST
Pat from Montana

excellent! Thank you much Kavika.

and elpkidd.

  • 1 vote
#1.13 - Tue Feb 21, 2012 11:01 PM EST
Kavika

Your welcome Pat.

elpkidd, I forgot about that book, excellent read.

I read a letter from a soldier to his children that was a guard on the ''Trail of Tears''....He wanted his children to know the suffering that the Cherokee/Choctaw/Chickasaw/Seminole went through. It is heart wrenching to read it...I'm going to goggle it to see if I can find it again.

  • 1 vote
#1.14 - Tue Feb 21, 2012 11:11 PM EST
Kavika

I found it, I don't know how to link...(tech impaired) but just goggle...Private John Burnett letter to his children, Trail of Tears...prepare yourself for a first hand account that is not pretty.

  • 1 vote
#1.15 - Tue Feb 21, 2012 11:18 PM EST
Pat from Montana

Seed it Kavika, it is worthy of its own thread.

  • 1 vote
#1.16 - Tue Feb 21, 2012 11:20 PM EST
Kavika

Ok, that I can do.

  • 1 vote
#1.17 - Tue Feb 21, 2012 11:34 PM EST
elpkidd

I sent Frank Stewart an email about how much I enjoyed the book and he wrote back the he was working on a sequel. His wife was fighting cancer at the time and he didn't know when he would get it done.

  • 1 vote
#1.18 - Wed Feb 22, 2012 12:36 AM EST
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deepwater don

Pat from M and Kavika, Can't agree with more with both of you. Thanks!

  • 1 vote
Reply#2 - Mon Feb 20, 2012 9:56 PM EST
Kavika

Hi deepwater don, haven't seen you in awhile. Thanks for stopping by.

Waanakiwin

  • 1 vote
#2.1 - Mon Feb 20, 2012 10:06 PM EST
deepwater don

I've been in and out. Don't always comment, but I am keeping an eye out for you, my friend! Be well!

    #2.2 - Mon Feb 20, 2012 10:21 PM EST
    Kavika

    Thanks deepwater.

      #2.3 - Mon Feb 20, 2012 11:24 PM EST
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      Kearney Outlaw

      Very interesting stuff, Kavika.

      I think that it's understandable (but not forgivable) that earlier presidents would make the list. There are myriad reasons for the brutality that resulted from two cultures clashing. Ignorance, mistrust, and misunderstanding each other's cultures could easily result in violence. But as time progresses, these excuses become less and less credible.

      I think those of our generation have no excuse whatsoever to fail to do the right thing when called upon. As you (and others here) have demonstrated, learning is an easy thing these days. All we need is the care and will to do it, and to act responsibly once we have.

      • 1 vote
      Reply#3 - Mon Feb 20, 2012 10:05 PM EST
      Kavika

      Thanks for stopping by KO....''but as time progresses, these excuses become less and less credible.'' True words my friend.

      Waanakiwin niijii

        #3.1 - Mon Feb 20, 2012 11:26 PM EST
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        fstwarrior

        And the $20 bill still has the "Eliminator's" picture on it even after all of the tribes, at one time or another, have asked that it be removed because of what it stands for.

        • 3 votes
        Reply#4 - Mon Feb 20, 2012 10:29 PM EST
        Kavika

        Thanks for visiting fstwarrior. His picture on the $20 bill is always something that has rubbed me the wrong way. It goes against everything that this country says it stands for.

        Waanakiwin niijii

        • 1 vote
        #4.1 - Mon Feb 20, 2012 11:27 PM EST
        Enoch-2699399

        I think they should use a picture of Kavika, Al-316, Grisham and me at Jays Diner on the $20 bill.

        In a caption under the photo of us grazing at Jays Bi-monthly Bituminous Buffet could be the phrase, "In G-d We Trusted".

        Seriously, from your previous articles on President Abraham Lincoln, I was aware of this less attractive side to his legacy.

        Thanks for seeding this article. Those who don't know history are doomed to repeat. The hope for the future is both that we do not, and that we do restore Native Americans as best possible to their former situation. We owe them at least that.

        Peace and Blessings. Enoch.

        • 2 votes
        #4.2 - Tue Feb 21, 2012 12:08 AM EST
        Kavika

        Thanks for visiting niijii. ''grazing at Jays''..LOL..

        Lincoln ranks up there with being one of the worst regarding Native Americans. Sadly many choose not to learn from history and will repeat it.

        Waanakiwin niijii

        • 3 votes
        #4.3 - Tue Feb 21, 2012 12:18 AM EST
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        tzia62

        OK, this is the third thing I have learned today, I'm getting too smart! Seriously, I never knew that about Andy. Great article!!

        • 2 votes
        Reply#5 - Mon Feb 20, 2012 10:37 PM EST
        Kavika

        Thanks for stopping by tzia..there is much that the history books don't tell us about out leaders.

        Waanakiwin niijii

          #5.1 - Mon Feb 20, 2012 11:28 PM EST
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          Atsidi

          Of topic, but not, Am told by several that George Washington was also called Burner of Villages by the NA of the area.

          • 1 vote
          Reply#6 - Mon Feb 20, 2012 10:49 PM EST
          Kavika

          Thanks for stopping by Atsidi..That is true. Another story you rarely hear is how the Seneca nations saved Washington azz at Valley Forge, and then fought the British. In return Washington did what he could to push them off their lands, burn their villages and try to destroy them.

          • 1 vote
          #6.1 - Mon Feb 20, 2012 11:30 PM EST
          Atsidi

          The true history is a sad history. How many are ever told that the constitution of the US is drawn from the Iroquois Confederation?

          • 2 votes
          #6.2 - Tue Feb 21, 2012 12:19 AM EST
          Kavika

          Very few my friend.

          • 2 votes
          #6.3 - Tue Feb 21, 2012 1:05 AM EST
          Enoch-2699399

          Dear Friend Atsidi: Every summer I go to the Ganandagan Festival celebrating the anniversary of the Iroquois Confederacy. I spent many afternoons in the long house discussing the wisdom of those nations and how they came together in an atmosphere of mutual respect and enlightened self-interest.

          We need to do a better job of teaching the wisdom of Native and First American cultures. We only continue to limit our potential in North America by failing to do so.

          Peace and Blessings. Enoch.

          • 2 votes
          #6.4 - Tue Feb 21, 2012 1:13 AM EST
          Atsidi

          There is much to be learned from the Native American cultures if the people that needed the teaching would listen.

          • 3 votes
          #6.5 - Tue Feb 21, 2012 10:23 AM EST
          LittleFawn

          Una` Sla`xt...

          " If People Would Only Listen "

          Nice Thought... :-) :-) :-)

          • 2 votes
          #6.6 - Tue Feb 21, 2012 12:24 PM EST
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          screminmimi

          Abraham Lincoln is the biggest shock of all considering what he stands for in this nation's history.

            Reply#7 - Mon Feb 20, 2012 11:00 PM EST
            Kavika

            Thanks for visiting screaminmimi...Lincoln is a shock to most, since little of his destruction of NA is in the history books.

            Waanakiwin niijii

              #7.1 - Mon Feb 20, 2012 11:31 PM EST
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              DisplayName0

              In 1930, a year after he became president, Jackson signed a law that he had proposed – the Indian Removal Act – which legalized ethnic cleansing. Within seven years 46,000 indigenous people were removed from their homelands east of the Mississippi. Their removal gave 25 million acres of land “to white settlement and to slavery,” according to PBS. The area was home to the Cherokee, Creek, Choctaw, Chickasaw and Seminole nations. In the Trail of Tears alone, 4,000 Cherokee people died of cold, hunger, and disease on their way to the western lands.

              The year of the Indian Removal Act should be 1830 rather than 1930. From context that can be figured out.

              Kavika,

              Very interesting and informative article. I have forgotten a lot of US History (or maybe was never informed); it is good to look back.

              Peace.

              • 3 votes
              Reply#8 - Mon Feb 20, 2012 11:13 PM EST
              Atsidi

              From my experience, never informed. The victors write the history books.

              • 2 votes
              #8.1 - Mon Feb 20, 2012 11:17 PM EST
              Kavika

              Thanks for stopping by Display. Your correct on the typo...1830 not 1930.

              Much of history is whitewashed as to Native Americans, among other peoples.

              Waanakiwin (peace)

              • 4 votes
              #8.2 - Mon Feb 20, 2012 11:33 PM EST
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              Al-316

              Andrew Jackson's and Abraham Lincoln's reputations as being anti-Native American are well known and documented.

              But the others, George Bush, Dwight Eisenhower, and U. S. Grant are not usually connected with the on going injustices to Native Americans.

              Migwetch, gete niijii for the history lesson.

              • 4 votes
              Reply#9 - Tue Feb 21, 2012 3:14 AM EST
              Kavika

              Thanks for stopping by niijii. It's always good to see you.

              Waanakiwin gete niijii

              • 1 vote
              #9.1 - Tue Feb 21, 2012 8:28 AM EST
              Reply
              Dr Know

              Andrew Jackson should be on the top of the list for many reasons.

              His practice of replacing EVERYONE in a government job with his supporters is why we have the Civil Service rules now. Those rules helped entrench the anti-native "administrators" in their jobs. "Civil Servants" cannot be legally held accountable for their actions in the "course of their duties".

              Jackson never defeated the Seminoles...

              • 3 votes
              Reply#10 - Tue Feb 21, 2012 11:37 AM EST
              Kavika

              Thanks for visiting Dr. His administration was lacking in many ways.

              He did try his best to destroy the Seminoles, but wasn't able to do it.

              Waanakiwin (peace)

              • 2 votes
              #10.1 - Tue Feb 21, 2012 12:47 PM EST
              Dr Know

              BTW my adult name is Midnight Bear. Met one on my vision quest/

                #10.2 - Thu Feb 23, 2012 10:46 AM EST
                Kavika

                Mine is Animikee Zaagijiwan.

                  #10.3 - Thu Feb 23, 2012 11:57 AM EST
                  elpkidd

                  Having never lived around a large Native American population and not being a member of a Federal or State recognized tribe, I don't have one. :(

                    #10.4 - Thu Feb 23, 2012 12:19 PM EST
                    Atsidi

                    Mine is self chosen as I understand many were.

                      #10.5 - Thu Feb 23, 2012 12:24 PM EST
                      Kavika

                      Mine is Ojibwe and translated it is ''Little Thunder that flows from the River''...

                      • 2 votes
                      #10.6 - Thu Feb 23, 2012 2:01 PM EST
                      Atsidi

                      I believe the translation of mine from Navajo to english is hammer. It is a prefix to a lot of the old Navajo smith's name's.

                        #10.7 - Thu Feb 23, 2012 3:16 PM EST
                        LittleFawn

                        Mine, WoundedKnee. My Newna` gave this to me back in '87. My Newna` had said I earned This Name when I had " Shattered My Knee ". Newna` never did tell me how to say it in Our Tongue. :( My given name has nothing doing with the fort at Wounded Knee.

                        Little Thunder that Flows From River, Sla`xt I do Likes your Name.

                        Says alot about whom you are. :) :) :)

                          #10.8 - Fri Feb 24, 2012 10:40 PM EST
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                          WLGarrison

                          A Cherekee named Junaluska saved Jackson's life at the Battle of Horseshoe Bend. Years later he said “If I had known that Jackson would drive us from our homes, I would have killed him that day at the Horseshoe.”

                            Reply#11 - Tue Feb 21, 2012 5:18 PM EST
                            Kavika

                            Thanks for visiting WL Garrison. That is a true story, Jackson has his life only because of the people he drove from their homeland.

                            Waanakiwin (peace)

                            • 1 vote
                            #11.1 - Tue Feb 21, 2012 10:14 PM EST
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                            onefan51

                            It's no surprise Andrew Jackson is Number One on the list. IMO he is the most racist POTUS in history. And it's no surprise George W. Bush made the list. Thanks for the excellent information, Kavika.

                            • 2 votes
                            Reply#12 - Wed Feb 22, 2012 3:16 PM EST
                            Kavika

                            Thanks for visiting onefan51...Licoln rates a close second to Jackson.

                            Waanakiwin (peace)

                            • 2 votes
                            #12.1 - Wed Feb 22, 2012 3:43 PM EST
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                            Atsidi

                            There was also a TV series put out by Kevin Costner called " 500 Nations" that I thought was outstanding. It is still available to buy I think, although not real cheap.

                            • 1 vote
                            Reply#13 - Wed Feb 22, 2012 3:33 PM EST
                            Kavika

                            Atsidi, I think that I saw parts on that. Was it on PBS?

                            • 1 vote
                            #13.1 - Wed Feb 22, 2012 3:45 PM EST
                            Atsidi

                            Not sure which channel it was on. I know I thought I knew a lot about NA culture and such, after watching that I realised that I knew very little and that was mostly about the Sioux. It is a fairly long series.

                            • 1 vote
                            #13.2 - Wed Feb 22, 2012 5:21 PM EST
                            Kavika

                            PBS had a five part series a couple of years ago entitled ''Wassa Inaabidaa'' (we look in all directions) 500 years of history of the Ojibwe people...It was great

                            • 1 vote
                            #13.3 - Wed Feb 22, 2012 6:08 PM EST
                            Atsidi

                            Could be the same one, but I am thinking not because I never had PBS on my TV that I know of. Seems like this was on the history channel or maybe Discovery. The one I am referring to was about all North American Natives.

                            • 1 vote
                            #13.4 - Wed Feb 22, 2012 9:23 PM EST
                            Atsidi

                            Didn't find it for sale, but I did find two 93 minute videos on it from google and a review of it.

                            • 1 vote
                            #13.5 - Wed Feb 22, 2012 9:28 PM EST
                            Kavika

                            That must be a differt one then the one I'm talking about. Wassa Inaabidaa is only about the Ojibwe.

                            Which one did you find on goggle?

                            • 1 vote
                            #13.6 - Wed Feb 22, 2012 9:48 PM EST
                            Atsidi

                            Found 500 Nations, watched a little of the first part to make sure it is the same one, it is. Am taking a trip soon, may watch it again on my laptop.

                            • 1 vote
                            #13.7 - Wed Feb 22, 2012 9:54 PM EST
                            elpkidd

                            There are copies fo 500 Nations for sale used or new on Amazon.com

                            • 2 votes
                            #13.8 - Wed Feb 22, 2012 10:09 PM EST
                            Kavika

                            Atsidi elpkidd thanks for the information.

                            • 2 votes
                            #13.9 - Wed Feb 22, 2012 10:28 PM EST
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